tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post1305585693446451023..comments2023-10-05T12:43:59.413-04:00Comments on Honor's Code: 10 Man World FirstsHonors Codehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-71028246916513898312010-02-09T13:02:56.163-05:002010-02-09T13:02:56.163-05:00I'm just going to nitpick here, because the ma...I'm just going to nitpick here, because the math is bad.<br /><br />Honors Code said: "So if the Boss drops 3 Epics on 10 man, he should drop 6 Epics on 25 man. Tier Tokens should scale up as well. 10 mans would see 2 Tier Tokens from a Boss while 25 man raiders would see 5. That would better correlate the reward to the challenge."<br /><br />Actually, it wouldn't. The Tier Token thing you suggest would keep it exactly flat (20% of the raid would get a token), and the Epic drop is actually worse for the 25s (30% get an item in a 10, 24% get an item in a 25).<br /><br />If you were going to encourage the 25man raiders, you'd have to skew it for real. I haven't raided significantly since Naxx (family life), I don't recall all the quantities that currently drop. But since the player ratio is 1:2.5, you'd have to have at LEAST that for items dropping, or the 25man raiders will still run both, for better chances at loot.Salthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10566457948046493221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-59189404952211913842010-02-07T02:53:34.388-05:002010-02-07T02:53:34.388-05:00I read this article you wrote and didn't care ...I read this article you wrote and didn't care one way or the other, since I do both. But dorgol makes a good point about rewards and ilvl. Cataclysm wont be out for awhile yet, so I could see blizz putting in a ZA type encounter. What would make it really interesting would be a timed event with a mount, but the event could only be completed with everyone maintaining a certain ilevel of gear throughout. This would definitely help to emphasize skill over gear. The only downside would be people saying that 25 man raiders have the advantage of having seen the fights twice as often... So I guess the argument will continue even into the future lol<br /><br /><br />Wankster of MagtheridonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-90316744521409137222010-02-05T15:56:17.737-05:002010-02-05T15:56:17.737-05:00I'd wager there are a fair number of 25-man ra...I'd wager there are a fair number of 25-man raiders who dislike that it's obligatory for <i>them</i> to have to run 10-mans in addition to their 25-mans because it turns their 3 nights a week commitment into a 5 nights a week obligation.<br /><br />They have to if they want to maximize their acquisition of gear and emblems.<br /><br />I'm happy to be a 10-man raider, and I like competing to get the "first" against my server's otehr 10-man guilds, but I don't really expect to compete against the 25-mans. It's fun to beat the 25-mans sometimes, but I know that skill being equal the 25-mans will beat us every time because they have the gear.<br /><br />As for having the "world first" come from a 25-man guild, I just figure, "Well of course. It's nothing to get worked up about though."Hanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12020803566446071455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-16137594113488877452010-02-05T15:55:09.423-05:002010-02-05T15:55:09.423-05:00It would be in Blizzard's best interests, I be...It would be in Blizzard's best interests, I believe, to have a shared lockout. The whole gated thing in ICC served mostly to keep the hardcore players playing longer and keep the money coming in longer from those players before they get bored.<br /><br />A shared lockout for 10 and 25 man content would accomplish the same thing for Blizzard, so I could see them being in favor of that.<br /><br />As for gear disparity, I see no reason why a larger group of people should get significantly better gear than a smaller group doing nearly the same fight with perhaps one less mechanic. Should the gear be somewhat better? Maybe. <br /><br />Like one poster said, make the difference a half tier instead of a full tier. For example, T10 gear would be ilvl 251 in 10-man and 258 in 25-man. Then hard modes could do 258 in 10-man and 264 in 25-man. This would also help cut down on the rapid inflation of numbers on stats, causing things like the latest paladin nerf and the chill of the throne debuff.Ken Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02677984572855891290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-5145448119022048062010-02-05T15:27:49.038-05:002010-02-05T15:27:49.038-05:00@-Killtehnoob-
Thank you for signing your comment....@-Killtehnoob-<br />Thank you for signing your comment.<br /><br />"It locks you out of upgrades, badges, encounter familiarity and storyline content."<br /><br />I disagree. It locks you out of ADDITIONAL upgrades, and badges, but you would still get upgrades and badges from whichever raid size you picked.<br /><br />The storyline content is exactly the same between the two so it doesn't lock you out there.<br /><br />It does lock you out of encounter familiarity and using 10 mans to practice. In that way limiting you to either 10s or 25s would be another gating device for the Devs.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-38853682018499359142010-02-05T15:02:45.468-05:002010-02-05T15:02:45.468-05:00I would have loved to have been in a ten man only ...I would have loved to have been in a ten man only guild of just friends as i was just happy to see content and it would have been cool to do so with friends. <br /><br />I think worrying about a 25 man guild getting ten man firsts is petty and missing the point. There should be a disparity of gear simply because they are "harder". I would hate to be locked out of a ten man raid that I run early in the week because I have to choose to run 25 with the guild later on. I enjoy seeing the content and usually progress faster in ten man raids. Ten man gear upgrades help you progress in 25 man raids. They help you understand your role in certain encounters better sometimes than 25 man raids due to them being so big. Ten man raids you have to actually fulfill your role, there's less leeway. But making one chose one of the other is not smart. It locks you out of upgrades, badges, encounter familiarity and storyline content. <br /><br /><br />-Killtehnoob-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-47963542240140781432010-02-05T12:14:49.886-05:002010-02-05T12:14:49.886-05:00I agree with you Honors. I hate how Blizz has almo...I agree with you Honors. I hate how Blizz has almost made 10 mans be trivial and 25 man being the big boy. Other than putting more people together, I don't feel the 25's are really that much harder than a 10, sometimes easier, and therefore stop this ilvl loot difference.<br /><br />I also agree and think that the same gear should drop on the two raids, have one lockout and do away with this stuff of, well my shield drops in 25 man, but my weapon drops in 10 man stuff. There will always be 25 man raiders in the game no matter what Blizz does because you have the people that want to feel they did something "harder". <br /><br />I was very excited when I first heard about 10 man raiding at the end of BC. To be honest, I hate raiding with 24 other people, there is just too many circumstances that slow the raid down, i.e. bio breaks, kids, dogs etc. I love raiding 10 man, but in our guild we do both to get the gear more so for the 25. <br /><br />Blizz has made ilvl count too much this xpac rather than the stats on the item. Moroes's pocket watch in BC was a coveted item, even to the higher end raiders. Today, you would be nervous at anyone wearing a ilvl 200 and trying to progress in a 25 man progression.<br /><br />As far as rewarding the ones who do the harder stuff, I really don't care and think it is too much of a superiority issue others have. I play the game to see the story unfold and see new content, not to stand around in the city and try and have others think how leet I am. If the ones that need the acknowledgment of being ubber because they have done a hard mode, get another hobby. Most of us play this game for fun and relaxation, not to try and boost ourselves up over others in a game. <br /><br />Sadly, I will never see if Blizz gets it right, because this will be my last xpac. I have my eye on Old Republic and hope they have learned from some of WoW on the good and bad and make encounters require less people, 2-3 I would love lol, and not have such issues with loot. <br /><br />-TeurionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-44676730060811736652010-02-05T11:03:31.037-05:002010-02-05T11:03:31.037-05:00I would love to be a 10-man only raider. When Wrat...I would love to be a 10-man only raider. When Wrath released my GM invited me to her 10-man only group - only for things to go 25-man within a few weeks.<br /><br />So I was grandfathered into this 25 man raid group. <br /><br />Then we discover that raiding in WotLK was much easier, and thus didn't require a 3 or 4 days-a-week investment. So I stayed.<br /><br />But, oh, how I love the smaller 10 man raids.<br /><br />I am 100% behind you on sharing the lockout between 10 and 25. I am also behind the gear ilvl difference being either tossed completely or made much smaller. Instead of a full tier of gear difference, make them a 1/2 a tier difference.<br /><br />AND Blizzard should make more effort to reward the 10-man only teams. More titles like "Herald of the Titans" that require players to use the appropriate gear. Heck, put in "lesser" Legendaries! Maybe the Lich King can't drop Invincible on a 10-man encounter, but let Sindragosa drop a Frost Wyrm - ONLY IF you wear the right gear!<br /><br />10-mans don't HAVE to be the redheaded stepchild of the raiding scene. Blizzard can do something about it, and I really hope they do.Dorgolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12936803721440329897noreply@blogger.com