tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post5253711054633665323..comments2023-10-05T12:43:59.413-04:00Comments on Honor's Code: Prot using Seal of CommandHonors Codehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-66135294197988815512010-07-22T20:52:17.782-04:002010-07-22T20:52:17.782-04:00What other Prot Paladins do in your raids is irrel...What other Prot Paladins do in your raids is irrelevant. The math has been shown on Maintankadin and Seal of Command DOES beat Seal of Vengeance. There is no may or may not to it. It's been shown, with math to back it up. Until such time as that math is shown to be in error, no amount of anecdotal evidence will change the facts.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-34369681319773548242010-07-22T19:24:54.405-04:002010-07-22T19:24:54.405-04:00Now, I've been seeing this trend a lot on my s...Now, I've been seeing this trend a lot on my server, and so far, I've yet to see a prot pally that has 70% of the aoe threat that I do, and I use Seal of Corruption. At face value, people see seal damage done from SoCom, and it appears to be more, but there's also the DoT from SoCorruption. Now, with very fast dying mobs, like heroics trash, SoCom may or may not win out, but even the fastest dying trash in ICC, you know, in a raid, where it matters, allows for 5 stacks on 4 targets.... and I do more damage than other paladins that out gear me and use SoCom. I don't think that a SoCom nerf is in order, nor even a change, IMO, it's garbage for prot in the first place.Pratham of Eldre'Thalasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-28326902769568307302010-02-15T12:28:24.874-05:002010-02-15T12:28:24.874-05:00Taking Seal of Command away from 1H wielders would...Taking Seal of Command away from 1H wielders would nerf PVP Protadins since Seal of Command is a key to their DPS and Mana conservation (with the glyph). While the either moving SoC further down Ret or limiting SoC to 2H wielders would solve the PVE Tank problem, it would severely damage what little hope PVP Prot Pally's have of success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-79911181095591182512010-02-04T12:47:42.891-05:002010-02-04T12:47:42.891-05:00First, we should not be balanced around threat in ...First, we should not be balanced around threat in heroics because who brings 2 tanks to one anyways, unless you are gearing up a fresh 80.<br /><br />Second, why balance based on trash AoE threat? If you only have need one tank to do trash then let the other heal/dps if they are getting bored. If dps are overtaking other tank classes on trash threat, which I don't think is the case, then those classes need to be buffed not nerf the paladins.<br /><br />Third, a tanks threat should only be nerfed based on boss fights as a whole, not just one or two gimmick fights. If class A does 10% more threat on boss fights then the rest of the classes then yes they might need to be balanced so they can OT since most fights now need tanks to switch.<br /><br />Those are my thoughts on threat and how it should be balanced.Dargnashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-2857276450929929812010-02-03T19:03:04.876-05:002010-02-03T19:03:04.876-05:00Neither SoComm or HotR is the issue of why paladin...Neither SoComm or HotR is the issue of why paladin tanks put out so much threat, whether it be on a single target or in aoe situations.<br /><br />It boils down to the fact that our damage as Holy and hits unmitigated.leivadithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05916969720647757870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-86627023113161358962010-02-03T18:08:55.688-05:002010-02-03T18:08:55.688-05:00I tried to avoid bringing up the cleave vs hotr ar...I tried to avoid bringing up the cleave vs hotr arguement because I know that isn't where Honor's was going. In point of fact SoC is closer to cleave then HotR but that's besides the point.What's my main Again?http://whatsmymain.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-42825249566781803382010-02-03T16:18:46.908-05:002010-02-03T16:18:46.908-05:00"HotR is basically Paladin's version of t..."HotR is basically Paladin's version of the Warrior's cleave. Warriors have the option to use Talent points to increase Cleaves damage, while Paladin's can Glyph Hammer of the Righteous to hit a fourth target."<br /><br />WOAH! I would greatly disagree. For warriors to get the 120% cleave they have to put points in the fury tree which most don't (at least beyond Armed to the Teeth). Whereas HotR does 400% weapon damage on 3 targets and cleave hits 2 unglyphed. I don't believe these abilities are comparable (beyond the fact that they hit mutliple targets).<br /><br />Even before SoComm was a thought for prot pallies, they had a much easier time AoE tanking. Everyone sees consecration and assumes it is awesome, but pally tanks know it takes more than that (at least the good ones do). It's just that pallies have a lot of AoE tanking tools compared to other tank classes, and all of them added together make it all seem so easy.<br /><br />I'm not saying that HotR needs to be nerfed or anything, in fact I love it. But I don't think your argument about HotR=Cleave works.<br /><br />It's not like tanking should be balanced around heroics and raid trash (imo).Pippetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-3434723019547545262010-02-03T15:57:05.432-05:002010-02-03T15:57:05.432-05:00^ this...^ this...Matheusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-25987232051187422372010-02-03T15:21:07.446-05:002010-02-03T15:21:07.446-05:00I just think they should buff other classes aoe ta...I just think they should buff other classes aoe tanking capabilities.What's my main Again?http://whatsmymain.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-28649214545463549642010-02-03T13:48:57.863-05:002010-02-03T13:48:57.863-05:00I agree, either change command to require a 2 hand...I agree, either change command to require a 2 hander, since no ret paladin will ever be caught dead with a one hander, and no tank using a 2 hander, or move it deeper in the tree. I think the first option would be an easier fix, and remove it from the tanking arsenal completely. <br /><br />Knowing how blizzard likes to deal with things by going far beyond what is needed, I would expect the warriors who have taken issue with Paladin tanking, in its current form, to get their wish.<br /><br />Beware the nerf bat. Its swings are mighty and often!Grimadinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-64928284186478348852010-02-03T11:59:43.210-05:002010-02-03T11:59:43.210-05:00No nerfing needed imo, just move it deeper in the ...No nerfing needed imo, just move it deeper in the ret tree, out of reach of prot paladinsleivadithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05916969720647757870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-701566376665543342010-02-03T11:57:16.359-05:002010-02-03T11:57:16.359-05:00I agree with your post, but when I read GC's p...I agree with your post, but when I read GC's post I thought to myself "he gets it". He knows what makes Paladins AoE threat good.<br /><br />Since he gets it, I doubt he would nerf HoTR as that would also nerf your single target TPS (as you pointed out).<br /><br />Seal of Cleave is really OP, and does need to be nerfed. I am hopeful, and optimistic, that it will be done in an appropriate manner.<br /><br />In my normal prot spec, no reckoning, etc, I was #3 in damage done on the initial trash of ICC10 last night. That's not right.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594660987738997914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-26007976940627306562010-02-03T11:53:52.531-05:002010-02-03T11:53:52.531-05:00I havent tried using Command yet for trash (though...I havent tried using Command yet for trash (though I picked it up last time i respecced my Prot). Warrior cleave only hits two targets unless glyphed. Not quite as good.Darraxushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09290390808933294129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-79132635387253709612010-02-03T11:53:40.829-05:002010-02-03T11:53:40.829-05:00I think you really hit the nail on the head with t...I think you really hit the nail on the head with this post. I agree that Seal of Command is where our AOE threat OPness comes from now. <br /><br />I have gone so far as to stop using SoComm in raids (I still use it in heroics) simply because our druid offtank was complaining about having nothing to do during trash clears in ICC.Ken Dollarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07941042388630572443noreply@blogger.com