tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post6700709740412374055..comments2023-10-05T12:43:59.413-04:00Comments on Honor's Code: Shaking the FoundationsHonors Codehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-51052113922327341602009-05-29T07:48:28.691-04:002009-05-29T07:48:28.691-04:00@ King Harbromm:
You say you hate that you receiv...@ King Harbromm:<br /><br />You say you hate that you received "Warrior hand-me-down abilities" well... think about it in the reverse. Warriors always had those abilities, Paladins get them, and we get none of your abilities in return. There are things that make each tanking class unique, and a lot of the unique parts of being a Warrior, have been mirrored to Pallies. Druids and DKs have been made very similar in the ways they tank and use CDs, so they too have become slightly mirrored. The "bring the player not the class" mantra of Blizz has damaged the identity of each class. I know from playing a Pally and Warrior, tanking and DPSing on both, that they are still very different, but at the core... they have tried to make them the same. I hate the lack of mobility on my Pally vs. the supreme mobility of my Warrior, but really miss pulling 3 mobs instantly, silencing and dazing at range when on my Warrior. Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT Pally abilities, I'm in part agreeing with you. They need to give Pallies more unique abilities and not copy them from Warriors, leaving us Warriors with the short end of the stick and getting none of your abilities in return. Paladins have very nearly become Warriors that can't Charge/Intervene/Intercept, and Warriors are Paladins that can't multi-taunt and range-pull 3 mobs. You said Paladins are "wannabe warriors" well, the line has gotten very fuzzy between the 2 classes, and it needs to be redrawn, bolded and redefined.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09314465829320168685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-86688500296144742022009-05-27T14:41:38.715-04:002009-05-27T14:41:38.715-04:00Kalon, I'm going to add the link to my post. Thank...Kalon, I'm going to add the link to my post. Thanks for sharing it!Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-58307834369624993262009-05-27T13:50:07.294-04:002009-05-27T13:50:07.294-04:00LOL, I've always been told, "there's truth in jest...LOL, I've always been told, "there's truth in jest."<br /><br />I reference you to your April Fool's Day jest. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-85396310979675625902009-05-27T13:49:43.969-04:002009-05-27T13:49:43.969-04:00ThinkTank comes to some similar conclusions as wel...<A HREF="http://wowthinktank.blogspot.com/2009/05/general-future-of-block-part-1.html" REL="nofollow">ThinkTank comes to some similar conclusions as well</A>.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-34363856773622521962009-05-27T13:20:09.030-04:002009-05-27T13:20:09.030-04:00A lot of the fun I had as a Paladin tank in tBC wa...A lot of the fun I had as a Paladin tank in tBC was doing exactly what King Harbromm described: Tanking stuff I wasn't supposed to be able to tank. That was a blast to pull off.<br /><br />My Paladin feels more and more like a poor man's Warrior these days. I want the same stats, and teh same gear, and do the same job with basically the same tools. I guess that's part of the reason I've been leveling my Warrior again.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-9085770175192061252009-05-27T13:12:41.810-04:002009-05-27T13:12:41.810-04:00I think what he is hinting at is increasing the bl...I think what he is hinting at is increasing the block value substantially. He offers the value of 90% block as being one (boring) extreme, vs the very low percentage we're at now. If the block value of your shield (and added BV from other items) went up considerably, such that a block mitigated 40-50% of the damage, block might become more valuable, while avoiding the boring situation of a slow steady decrease in health seen from blocking giving a 90% reduction in damage. <br /><br />It might even be possible to make it such that block value reduces damage by a percentage instead of a hard number. The benefit of this would be that trash mobs would still be able to do some damage instead of having block become an avoidance stat for any enemy that couldn't deal more that 10k damage.BamaTank Inc.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-10634477673887343632009-05-27T12:55:17.991-04:002009-05-27T12:55:17.991-04:00This has been on my mind more & more lately. ...This has been on my mind more & more lately. Combining thoughts from your last two posts just reinforces it.<br /><br />I don't like the new tank changes.<br /><br />Here in WotLK, my paladin tank really feels like a warrior wannabe. I've been given all of these "cool new abilities" that warriors had all along. It was rather frustrating. Yes, I love being able to shield slam & cleave now. That's awesome! However, to know that they're just hand-me-down abilities, so to speak, is aggrivating.<br /><br />Like you said in your previous post, before WotLK the paladin was considered a hybrid class. As such they were powered at 40% of what non-hybrid classes can do. I agree with with this mentality. Maybe it comes from back when I was leveling my warrior tank & I was annoyed when this paladin could mitigate as well as I could AND heal himself. I don't know. The bottom line is I've always felt that hybrids, whether they're specced full prot or not, should pay a penalty for having that extra option at their fingertips. That penalty, according to the devs, was a 40% effectiveness rating.<br /><br />But what happened? Tankers, being the stalwart, stubborn bunch that they are, wouldn't have it. Paladin tanks like HonorsHammer, Invisusira, & Lore destroyed the glass ceilings & proved that "anything you can do, we can do better." Paladins tanked Prince when everyone said it was impossible. Paladins tanked Archimonde when everyone said it was impossible. Paladins tanked Illidan when everyone said it was impossible. Little by little, paladins fought their way into the warrior's stronghold & set up shop.<br /><br />Why was this so awesome? Because the underdog was showing off. It was a blast for me to see movies of paladins tanking on YouTube because I knew that what they were doing was incredible. These warriors were good at what they do, but to be a paladin doing the same thing in some fights required just as much or even MORE skill to pull off. Even with 40% difference, paladin tanks were doing it.<br /><br />It led to the theory, and I saw it a bunch back in the day on MainTankadin, that paladin tanks cared. If you rolled a paladin tank, you had a whole class of people counting on you to uphold a reputation that had been fought so hard to get. This is how I learned to tank. I took it very seriously & read every website I could to make sure I wasn't "letting down the class."<br /><br />With homoginization, that's all gone. I see videos of paladin tanks & I'm still excited, but mostly for nostalgia's sake. These tanks have now been redesigned to do everything a warrior can, just as well. So the accomplishment feeling was gone for me.<br /><br />In the end, while all these new abilities are certainly welcome, I'm somewhat remorseful of what it caused. I long for the days where we had to scrap for a mile just to get an inch. I miss the days where a lazy warrior was knocked on his heels because the paladin tank just stole aggro & a raid spot. Competition was great for the role.<br /><br />I really would like to see Blizzard stop with this equality push. The only people that it really effects are the one or two gimick fights (that have ALWAYS BEEN THERE! - RoS Phase II, anyone?) & the super cutting edge guilds that demand Min/Max tanks. Other than that, a guild that is in their right mind are going to take the best player no matter what. If you're loyal to your guild, you show up and give 110% & are prepared with fight strategies, that 1.51% difference in threat or mitigation, or that one extra cooldown isn't going to matter. You will tank! And THAT'S what it should be about in my opinion.<br /><br />Take away the equality push. Give out the abilities as you see fit (not because another tank has it), and let the chips fall where they may. We'll pick up the pieces, like we always have, and build the monuments to whatever tank class we choose, as we always have.<br /><br />Tank for life!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com