tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post3252027032590932170..comments2023-10-05T12:43:59.413-04:00Comments on Honor's Code: My 'Stance' On Paladin PTR ChangesHonors Codehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-50485780143353530912009-10-29T00:56:57.235-04:002009-10-29T00:56:57.235-04:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT8sl9ZyICE
Go to ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT8sl9ZyICE<br /><br />Go to 1:30 to see my opinion on the matter.Christian Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18068934931436282967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-75956892971676286262009-10-28T16:49:09.622-04:002009-10-28T16:49:09.622-04:00@Honors Code
What I meant by my post was that in ...@Honors Code<br /><br />What I meant by my post was that in my opinion you fix the issue of Prot/Ret healing by nerfing the base paladin healing abilities. I think Prot and Ret both heal way too well for a non-healing spec. This is specifically because a 0/0/0 Paladin has 80% of the tools needed to be an effective healer.<br /><br />Take the healing ability out of the base Paladin class and put it into the Holy tree.WordTippinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18242202749617102417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-33429614931110229012009-10-28T16:30:33.071-04:002009-10-28T16:30:33.071-04:00The problem as Ghost Crawler himself said is that ...The problem as Ghost Crawler himself said is that we suffer from a core issue stemming from Classic WoW.<br />We were designed as a healer and buffer, then had the ability to DPS and tank added on top when they decided they should be viable.<br />This means as a class we are healers that can tank and DPS, and not a class that can heal, tank or DPS as the rest have been built up.<br />Untill this is fixed any solution will just be a bandaid that will more than likely hurt Prot and Ret at the same time.<br />On the topic of Aura-Stances, I think they would make us feel to similar to Warriors and DKs. I would like to see our own unique system to go will a full overhaul in Cataclysm. No idea what that would be though.Orthiennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-48979278516223454922009-10-28T16:28:17.359-04:002009-10-28T16:28:17.359-04:00The AM to 6 seconds makes me want to start avoidin...The AM to 6 seconds makes me want to start avoiding it. I think they need to remember that SS is a level 80 ability, and they should replace it if they nerf it to the ground. If it needs a crit holy shock every 6 seconds, it is still a nerf to holy (and requires another adjustment to the way some Holy play). I think it's time to give Paladins a break with a major patch and not change everything yet again. I love playing my Paladin, but if class change was available I'd have switched to another class by now. If I knew which class was least likely to change from Cataclysm, I'd be levelling them now.<br /><br />Stances would require the resistance auras (of which concentration aura is one, when you think about it) be detatched from the Aura system somehow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-11373069372352120542009-10-28T15:30:25.059-04:002009-10-28T15:30:25.059-04:00In my opinion the whole idea of those resistance a...In my opinion the whole idea of those resistance auras should be placed in the prot talent tree to give the pally and his party/raid the buff, because like you said it ain't wort the points in divine guardian anymore<br />so using these to agin a passive resistance aura, is actually the same to what they're now except for the part we have to click on the button.<br />This would also encourage to have less pallies in the run having , for having all neccessary auras.<br />But yeah hey that's just my idea.<br />But i like the idea of saying devotion aura -> prot stance<br />retribution aura -> dps stance<br />Concentration aura -> healing stanceNogonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16743647328908436980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-87640180167523772132009-10-28T14:30:34.735-04:002009-10-28T14:30:34.735-04:00I can heal a modern heroic 5 man with 0 points in ...I can heal a modern heroic 5 man with 0 points in holy but otherwise wearing holy gear. I cannot tank a modern heroic 5 man with 40-50-60 points in protection without tanking gear - but with the gear I know I can at least as a ret spec.<br /><br />I think it is more of a gear problem than a spec problem at this point. And it is only going to get worse as raid tiers improve and unwanted offspec farmed gear is lying around.Lochagoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00794602477104363408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-6247539007041655872009-10-28T13:36:28.318-04:002009-10-28T13:36:28.318-04:00@Eric,
The strength of Prot and Ret healing is pa...@Eric,<br /><br />The strength of Prot and Ret healing is part of the core issue and a big reason why ProHoly isn't going away.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-49051428598391297462009-10-28T13:35:39.288-04:002009-10-28T13:35:39.288-04:00@Dakiros,
There are drawbacks to my suggestion, n...@Dakiros,<br /><br />There are drawbacks to my suggestion, no doubt, but I find it more palatable than what they are considering at the moment.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-30388997916921760232009-10-28T13:34:39.296-04:002009-10-28T13:34:39.296-04:00@Westin,
DKs are soloing heroics as well, so I gu...@Westin,<br /><br />DKs are soloing heroics as well, so I guess they need some attention. You can find a YouTube of a DK soloing heroic Halls of Lightning.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-81017023717526206352009-10-28T13:14:14.284-04:002009-10-28T13:14:14.284-04:00I would hate to change the aura system, it is a gr...I would hate to change the aura system, it is a great system and unique. I hate the warrior stance system and the druid form system. Its clunky to me.<br /><br />Personally, I would favor nerfing the paladin's base healing abilities. If you want to make Holy more attractive and Ret/Prot less flexible, then make Holy a real healing tree. <br /><br />Retribution and Protection heal too well as it is. I have done some emergency healing as an off-tank simply via DP + Seal of Wisdom and been able to keep a tank up. As Retribution, its pretty easy to throw heals around with Art of War processes, JoLight and DS. Honestly, its not crazy for me to post 7-10% total raid healing on a 25 man raid and still be in the top 5 dps.<br /><br />I do think it makes more sense to simply remove some of the healing from the base class and put it in Holy.<br /><br />I do like the Sacred Shield suggestion of essentially swapping it with Aura Mastery.WordTippinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18242202749617102417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-38059159624321400522009-10-28T12:29:12.370-04:002009-10-28T12:29:12.370-04:00Having a "Stance" would also tie in nice...Having a "Stance" would also tie in nicely with the removal of Spell Plate! Wanna heal? no need to change gear, just activate your Holy Spec/Aura and go to town with The Light!mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02657927004131099196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-82921522068807024772009-10-28T12:02:49.864-04:002009-10-28T12:02:49.864-04:00When I read about LoH and SS changes, and then a f...When I read about LoH and SS changes, and then a few minutes later read about how they weren't happening, I decided I was over dosing on PTR. The 3.3 PTR has been so turbulent for Paladins and so controversial (for fishermen too, but that's another QQ for another place) that I decided to step back and let the dust settle before I take anything I read seriously.<br /><br />They're doing a lot of testing on the test realms, and that's good for the game, I guess. Even if it is an emotional roller coaster for Paladins ;) Too often I see things introduced on the test realms and then changed in a hot fix when it goes live - like they were "testing" it on the live realms instead.<br /><br />Also: when you've soloed a handful of heroics from start to finish then yes, you qualify as a one man army.Westinhttp://www.allthingsconnected.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-14014850373693926092009-10-28T11:47:51.352-04:002009-10-28T11:47:51.352-04:00I think that Righteous Fury should be used as our ...I think that Righteous Fury should be used as our stance mechanic as it basically is for tanking. Tie it into a talent in Holy to give healing throughput or something of that like in the holy tree. Tie it not the ret tree by giving it a modifier to crusader strike or dot effects something of that nature. It would be more like mage armor than stances that way but I think it would fit better. Or if they were really going to reconfigure Holy set it up for the next expac and use it as a modifier so that there wouldn't be any more plate gear with Int. have it modify strength to spellpower(or whatever the mechanical term will be in the expac) at 100% ratio for holy, and stam modifier for tanking and strength modifier for ret. Just some ideas anywaysMister Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15507189470915254379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-3783385460184189772009-10-28T11:03:38.817-04:002009-10-28T11:03:38.817-04:00all i have to say is that this brings up the old a...all i have to say is that this brings up the old arguement of making all the classes the same..<br /><br />you have forms for druids, presences for DKs, stances for warriors,and now we want to add more to the mix? mage armors, hunter aspects and such are all the same in the end.Someonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-42587660604426996072009-10-28T10:32:14.609-04:002009-10-28T10:32:14.609-04:00I like the "aurastance" idea but unfortu...I like the "aurastance" idea but unfortunately this goes against a lot of the talent changes they did in Wrath where aura effects go across every aura. No one would ever want to use a resist aura or situationally switch to conc aura or something like for the faction champions fight in ToCr.Dakirosnoreply@blogger.com