tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post8103434813096166443..comments2023-10-05T12:43:59.413-04:00Comments on Honor's Code: AE and the Paladin, the Nerfbat cometh?Honors Codehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-37376062404769098402010-01-26T18:16:48.645-05:002010-01-26T18:16:48.645-05:00I think GC hasn't picked on us in a while and ...I think GC hasn't picked on us in a while and just wants to stay in practice. He doesn't even know what he wants to do, he just wants to do something:)<br /><br />Seriously, I hope this isn't being fueled by all of us running through UK in full T9 or better, but as I reread this, I realize that he has to be more professional than that. I'm not seeing any good coming from this. Something is gonna be taken away. We'll either get nothing in return, which could send us to the bottom of the tank-list, or we'll get something in return, further homogenizing the tanking classes.<br /><br />I don't know anything about warriors, but a spell reflect sounds like a nice consolation... but there goes the diversity.<br /><br />Thanks for a great blog!Nyssnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-1390060460378401222010-01-26T11:54:19.565-05:002010-01-26T11:54:19.565-05:00@Nuff,
I have a Level 80 paladin, warrior, and Dr...@Nuff,<br /><br />I have a Level 80 paladin, warrior, and Druid.<br /><br />Warrior: Pretty much agree with you, and it's a big reason why the Warrior got shelved.<br /><br />DK: Sorry, don't know jack about them.<br /><br />Druid: Similar to my Paladin, not too many buttons to push. Maul over and over again gets old. This guy really needs a ranged silence like AS. Note: I haven't tanked with this guy since my mid 60s though.<br /><br />Paladin: I wouldn't call it mindless. Passive might be a better word. Most all of our abilities are fire and forget. There is no arguing its easier. I'm curious what you would advocate changing to give it more thought/effort.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-75111158048703087702010-01-26T11:26:29.814-05:002010-01-26T11:26:29.814-05:00"You've hit on something that's been ..."You've hit on something that's been in my mind but I haven't been able to pin down yet. What I'd like to see in Cata 5 mans is some penalty for DPS making a mistake, and something that can't be healed through."<br /><br />I agree. The mechanics that "punish" stupid dps in the ICC heroics actually punish other people in the group (or the group as a whole). Bad dps is allowed to continue being bad with little or no consequence to themselves.<br /><br />mirrored soul: continue to dps the boss and you will probably kill someone in your party (or at the very least make the healer's job much more difficult). I've seen healers that will let people kill themselves on this fight, and rightly so.<br /><br />overlord's brand: continue to dps and you will kill your tank (again, passing the work on to the healer). This is especially bad when overlord's brand goes to the healer after a dps has been trying to kill the tank. Now all of the heals needed to get the tank back up is healing the boss, too.<br /><br />Both of these are dps fail, but the dps is rarely the one that dies for it. They just scream at the healer and tell them 'moar heals!' or kick vote them out.<br /><br />One particular H FOS stands out to me. A mage was unloading on one of the two-packs of skeletons (that have a spell reflect). They continued their rotation until they were dead. Spells were obviously bouncing back at their face. Everyone in the group saw it. I could see getting hit with a single reflect from latency, but continuing and eating that damage? Did they really think the healer was going to heal them through stupid? It took this kind of obvious cause and effect for the mage to realize they killed themselves and admit it to the group. When the cause is less obvious, at least in my experience, the finger goes straight to the healer for letting them die (even if they could have prevented it).<br /><br />It seems to me Blizz has gone a step beyond "no CC" to "allow dps to be stupid and blame others". Getting dps to target switch or (God forbid) stop dps during certain boss abilities is next to impossible.<br /><br />There should be more immediate penalties for playing badly, and it should be readily apparent who failed without reading through combat logs.<br /><br />Sorry for the rant. These are just general RDF antics that I've encountered as a tank, healer, and dps. There are good groups and there are bad groups. The bad groups really stick out.<br /><br />t0xicUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306046415205631967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-77523865282374535162010-01-26T11:17:50.003-05:002010-01-26T11:17:50.003-05:00I have level 80 paladin, dk and warrior tanks. He...I have level 80 paladin, dk and warrior tanks. Here is how they actually stack up in an unbiased form...<br /><br />Warriors suck. Even single target playing a warrior tank is a miserable experience. You have to pay so much attention to what buttons to press, what abilities have proced, how much rage you have that it is simply not fun. Aoe tanking? Forget about it...misery.<br /><br />Dk tanking is much better, enough tools to keep agro in aoe situations off the healer...takes a little bit to set in and your abilities are very regular...you can't dump your mana pool but you also can't run out of mana. Requires some thought yet not too much pain and suffering.<br /><br />Pally tanking is mindless, push these buttons in this order and all the mobs 1-n will stick to you. Really it should require a little thought/effort.Nuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05403557430874732558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-81565736327205347122010-01-26T09:14:15.102-05:002010-01-26T09:14:15.102-05:00@Crofe,
I used the wrong blue, but I fixed it now...@Crofe,<br /><br />I used the wrong blue, but I fixed it now.<br /><br />The return of chain trapping would bring a tear of happiness to my eye. I had the pleasure of seeing well done in our Shadow Labs and our early Kara runs. It was a thing of beauty to behold.<br /><br />@Kara,<br /><br />You've hit on something that's been in my mind but I haven't been able to pin down yet. What I'd like to see in Cata 5 mans is some penalty for DPS making a mistake, and something that can't be healed through.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-22178965310265207432010-01-26T08:47:25.365-05:002010-01-26T08:47:25.365-05:00First Honors, is that a different blue than you no...First Honors, is that a different blue than you normally use? I can't read it unless I highlight it.<br /><br />Second, I would love instances that required CC again ala the original BC instances. The "gogogo" mentality of Heroics today makes me angry. Even more so when I was leveling my Alt bear and had a shaman 4 levels higher than me who couldn't fathom things like Aggro Management and being *4 Levels* higher than the tank. It's worse in normals because things don't die in 20 seconds.<br /><br />I mostly played a Hunter in BC and being able to effectively trap was empowering. It was literally a skill the player had to learn and was mostly gear independent. I am glad I stopped playing him, because it would sadden me to be in dungeons and not get to trap / kite mobs.Crofehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541418467095439951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-82111493523483133362010-01-26T05:04:06.229-05:002010-01-26T05:04:06.229-05:00I tanked a couple of heroics without touching cons...I tanked a couple of heroics without touching consecrate at *all*, just to see if I could.<br /><br />I could - but 5-pulls that spawn adds meant I actually needed to use the occasional taunt.Inquisitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-32607786035848070652010-01-26T04:24:50.129-05:002010-01-26T04:24:50.129-05:00I spotted the nerf incoming. But I don't under...I spotted the nerf incoming. But I don't understand it this time. I did understand when they wanted to balance some pvp issues. But I fail to see the reason for their concern on this occasion. All GC is saying is that our <b>manner of generating</b> aoe threat and damage is <b>too good</b>. Erm...so…this time we are not overpowered, we are not the cause of some pvp imbalance, we are not doing to much damage or healing, we are not better than others, this time we are just generating threat and damage…to efficiently ?<br /><br />Isn’t that supposed to be a good thing? Let me read it again: “manner of generating”…“too good”. In relation to what aspect of the game, this can be a negative thing ?Archangelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-8568812594708802222010-01-26T03:10:09.508-05:002010-01-26T03:10:09.508-05:00I will gladly go back to 45 minute heroics that re...I will gladly go back to 45 minute heroics that require CC, if only because an instance that requires CC negates any calls to "gogogogogo".<br /><br />"I can't just charge in, we'll all die, Mr. Impatient DPS."<br /><br />"Oh, right. Carry On."<br /><br />I can wish at least.<br /><br />I'm not worried that this change is going to come in the 3.x series. When GC says "the Paladin manner" (as opposed to specific abilities), I read that as "mechanics" - and as others have mentioned recently I don't think that we're going to see mechanical changes this late in the cycle.<br /><br />I think we'll see a few changes in our tanking style in 4.x. It wouldn't surprise me (though it would sadden me a bit) to see it mess with the 969 rotation, though we'll have to hope that Theck invokes his super Matlab powers to give us some guidance in the time after 4.x and before Cataclysm.Karatheyahttp://blog.cold-comfort.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-82961427820253334072010-01-26T02:23:16.712-05:002010-01-26T02:23:16.712-05:00Excellent summary of the paladin tank's plight...Excellent summary of the paladin tank's plight in Burning Crusade. <br /><br />I suppose its something to be a little proud of that the paladin community did such a good job selling Consecration's awesomeness back then that the idea still persists today when Consecration isn't nearly as impressive.Shayzanihttp://www.2fps.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-61866355092385529972010-01-26T00:33:58.125-05:002010-01-26T00:33:58.125-05:00I already avoid queuing as a tank now because of r...I already avoid queuing as a tank now because of rude folks in the group. I only see this causing more problems on my pally for the time or two that I do when I see DPS pulling stuff away. <br />If they hold it off until Cataclysm at least the pain will be masked a little bit. <br />I saw that post though and thought the same thing. I will give a fair point that there'll obviously be some envy on it, but I still get pigeon-holed into OT roles now and trash. I only get to MT when the other guy is out. <br />It seems that they just need to make everyone the same because no matter what, one will whine louder then the others and someone is going to get hosed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05933990605353934491noreply@blogger.com